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Second Law of Thermodynamics Circular Argument?

Bram Steenwijk β€” Science correspondent covering breakthroughs in physics, biology, space, and emerging research5 min readUpdated March 31, 2026
Second Law of Thermodynamics Circular Argument?

Key Takeaways

  • β€’A new physics paper argues that the Second Law of Thermodynamics is a circular argument, not a fundamental law β€” and Sabine Hossenfelder's video 'Core Law of Physics is Circular, Physicists Say' breaks down exactly why that claim holds up logically.
  • β€’The paper's authors found that the law's justification for entropy increase quietly assumes entropy was lower in the past, which is the very thing it's supposed to explain.
  • β€’The controversy resurfaces the Boltzmann Brain problem: statistically, a lone conscious brain randomly flickering into existence in a high-entropy universe is more probable than an entire complex cosmos.

What Is the Boltzmann Brain Problem?

Ludwig Boltzmann noticed something uncomfortable: a universe trending toward higher entropy will still produce random fluctuations, and given infinite time, those fluctuations can build almost anything.

The Statistical Paradox: Why Brains Shouldn't Exist

Here's the problem. A small fluctuation β€” say, a single conscious brain briefly popping into existence β€” is vastly more probable than a large one, like an entire 93-billion-light-year universe full of galaxies and barista-made coffee. If you take the math seriously, it's statistically more likely that you are a lone 'Boltzmann Brain' imagining all of this than that any of this is real. That's not a metaphor. That's the actual implication, and it's been an open wound in the foundations of physics for over a century. For a sense of the scale of space these fluctuations would occur in, cosmic voids give some unsettling context.

Is the Second Law of Thermodynamics Circular Logic? A New Paper Says Yes

The new paper at the center of Hossenfelder's video makes the claim directly: the Second Law of Thermodynamics circular argument isn't a bug in how people talk about the law β€” it's baked into the law's logical structure.

How Past Entropy Assumptions Create a Logical Loop

The Second Law says entropy increases over time. To explain why entropy is higher now than before, physicists assume it was lower in the past β€” typically pointing to the Big Bang as a state of extremely low entropy. But the reason we trust any record of the past at all is that entropy increases, preserving information in a directional way. The justification for trusting the past depends on entropy increasing, which depends on the past having lower entropy, which is what you were trying to prove. Round and round. It's the kind of reasoning that would get a philosophy undergraduate marked down, and the paper's authors argue it should bother physicists just as much. This type of paradox β€” where the premise quietly smuggles in the conclusion β€” is reminiscent of the logical traps explored in Newcomb's Paradox, where rational frameworks collapse under self-reference.

Can Modern Physics β€” Gravity and the Standard Model β€” Resolve the Paradox?

One obvious counter-argument is that Boltzmann was working with a simplified picture. He imagined particles behaving like a diffuse gas, freely bouncing around. Real physics is messier.

Why Advanced Models Still Can't Rule Out the Boltzmann Brain

The paper's authors tested whether upgrading the assumptions fixes anything. Particles in the real universe clump under gravity and interact through the strong nuclear force β€” nothing like a simple gas. But even after folding in gravity and the full Standard Model of particle physics, the authors found no rigorous argument, grounded in established physics, that rules the Boltzmann Brain hypothesis out. Hossenfelder confirms this in her breakdown: modern physics makes the problem harder to visualize, but not easier to escape.

Alternative Entropy Hypotheses: The 1000 CE Model

To illustrate how arbitrary the Big Bang assumption actually is, the paper introduces what it calls the '1000 CE hypothesis.'

Why the Big Bang Entropy Assumption Isn't Logically Necessary

The proposal goes like this: what if entropy was at its minimum not 13.8 billion years ago, but around the year 1000 CE, with time running in reverse before that point? Under the Second Law's own circular logic, this scenario is just as defensible as anchoring low entropy to the Big Bang. There's no purely logical reason, derived from the Second Law alone, to prefer one over the other. The Big Bang wins on simplicity and on its power to generate observable complexity from dynamic laws β€” but that's a pragmatic preference, not a proof.

What This Means for Physics Foundations

In Core Law of Physics is Circular, Physicists Say, Sabine Hossenfelder is clear that the paper's logical argument is correct. Her 'bullshit meter' β€” her informal rating of how seriously a paper should be taken β€” comes in low, meaning she finds it credible.

Pragmatism vs. Logic in Scientific Explanations

Her caveat is that the philosophical problem itself isn't new. Physics has long operated on a principle of preferring the simplest explanation that fits the data, not the explanation with the most airtight logical foundation. A low-entropy Big Bang fits that bill: it's one assumption, it generates everything we observe, and it's hard to beat on those grounds. What the paper forces into the open is that 'hard to beat' and 'logically necessary' are not the same thing β€” and that one of the most foundational laws in physics is resting, quietly, on an assumption nobody has proven.

Our Analysisβ€” Bram Steenwijk, Science correspondent covering breakthroughs in physics, biology, space, and emerging research

Our Analysis: Hossenfelder's framing is sharp β€” the circularity in the Second Law's justification is real, and the Boltzmann Brain problem genuinely has no clean resolution. But her low bullshit rating undersells how much damage unresolved foundations do when cosmologists quietly paper over them.

This connects to a broader crisis in foundations physics: too many 'laws' are load-bearing assumptions dressed up as discoveries.

Watch for this debate to resurface as quantum gravity models mature β€” any theory of initial conditions will have to confront exactly this circularity head-on, and that reckoning is coming sooner than most expect.

Frequently Asked Questions

What is the Second Law of Thermodynamics circular argument, and why does it matter?
The circular argument works like this: the Second Law says entropy increases over time, but to justify that claim, physicists assume entropy was lower in the past β€” which is exactly what the law is supposed to explain. It matters because it means the Second Law isn't a self-sufficient logical foundation; it quietly borrows its conclusion as a premise. Hossenfelder rates the paper's logic as sound on this point, which is a meaningful endorsement given her reputation for skepticism.
What is the Boltzmann Brain problem in simple terms?
If the universe trends toward high entropy but produces random fluctuations over infinite time, then a single conscious brain popping into existence by chance is statistically far more likely than an entire complex universe forming. The uncomfortable implication is that you β€” right now β€” are more probably a lone hallucinating brain than a real person in a real cosmos. This isn't a thought experiment physicists have resolved; it remains an open problem even after incorporating gravity and the Standard Model.
Does the Big Bang actually explain why entropy was low at the start of the universe?
Not in any rigorous logical sense β€” and that's the paper's sharpest point. Pointing to the Big Bang as the origin of low entropy is a pragmatic and observationally motivated choice, not a conclusion the Second Law itself forces on you. The paper's 1000 CE hypothesis illustrates this directly: under the Second Law's own circular logic, you can't derive a purely principled reason to prefer the Big Bang as the entropy minimum over any other arbitrary point in time. (Note: this framing is the authors' argument and is not yet a consensus position in physics.)
Can modern physics β€” the Standard Model or gravity β€” rule out the Boltzmann Brain hypothesis?
No, and the paper tested exactly this. Upgrading Boltzmann's original simplified gas model to include gravitational clumping and the full Standard Model of particle physics didn't produce any rigorous argument against the Boltzmann Brain hypothesis. Hossenfelder's read is that modern physics makes the problem harder to visualize but no easier to escape β€” which, if accurate, means this isn't just a historical curiosity but an active gap in the foundations of thermodynamics.
Does the Second Law of Thermodynamics disprove or prove anything about how the universe began?
The Second Law doesn't prove anything definitive about the universe's origin β€” and this paper argues it can't, precisely because its logical structure is circular. It can describe the direction of entropy change once you assume a low-entropy starting point, but it cannot independently establish that such a starting point was necessary or unique. Using it as cosmological evidence in either direction β€” for or against any particular origin story β€” would be leaning on a foundation the paper suggests is shakier than most physicists have acknowledged.

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